some personal views for Catholic readers
Hands up everyone who watched the video and (wrongly) thought it was an Extraordinary Form Mass :-)
Nice bugia! I wasn't sure what I was looking for until I saw it, then it clicked etymologically; only slightly disappointed it wasn't something much weirder ;o))
Wonderful, reverent and I could even smell the incense.I attended the OF in Latin in Westminster Cathedral a few years ago at the vigil Mass of SS Peter and Paul. It found it reverent and spiritually uplifting. I also noticed that most communicants received the Sacred Host on the tongue, including the young people in the Choir.
If the floor is going to be finished off, should the position of the altar be finalised? ;)What will the space between the altar and the reredos be used for?
Physiocrat, really!Are you still that unfamiliar with early Gallican liturgy?If the altar is against the wall how are the deacons with the golden censors going to circumnavigate the altar?Some of my parishioners just expect to be spoon fed! I despair sometimes, I really do.
What is a ''bugia''? Why not simply say hand-candle? We're not Italians.
Patricius: one could but then one could also say "cup" instead of "chalice".
On another planet to what we get chez nous ...
This year when Abp Nichols celebrated Pontifical OF Mass at the London Oratory he was provided with a coped assistant priest. Maniples are also optional (along with birettas, or as Patricius would no doubt say 'horned hats with optional pompoms') so why not reinstate them?
From a most excellent Catholic blog I highly recommended (please say a Hail Mary for the blog owner):(Bread From Heaven http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog )Even Demons Believe and Tremble – A Story about the True Presence of Jesus in the EucharistBy: Msgr. Charles Pope From his website–>Archdiocese of Washington DC, St Marys Tridentine Mass It was almost 15 years ago. I was At Old St. Mary’s here in D.C. celebrating Mass in the Latin (Extraordinary Form). It was a solemn high Mass. I don’t suppose I thought it any different than most Sunday’s but something quite amazing was about to happen.As you may know the ancient Latin Mass is celebrated “ad orientem” (towards the Liturgical East). Priest and people all face one direction. What this means practically for the celebrant is that the people are behind him. It was time for the consecration. The priest is directed to bow low, his forearms on the altar table the host between his fingers.As directed I said the venerable words of Consecration in a low but distinct voice, Hoc est enim Corpus meum (For this is my Body). The bells rang as I genuflected.But behind me a disturbance of some sort, a shaking or rustling in the front pews behind me to my right. And then a moaning or grumbling. What was that? It did not really sound human, more like the grumbling of a large animal such as a boar or a bear, along with a plaintive moan that did not seem human. I elevated the host and wondered, “What was that?” Then silence. I could not turn to look easily for that is awkward for the celebrant in the ancient Latin Mass. But still I thought, What was that?But it was time for the consecration of the chalice. Again, bowing low and pronouncing clearly and distinctly but in a low voice: Hic est enim calix sanguinis mei, novi et æterni testamenti; mysterium fidei; qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem pecatorum. Haec quotiescumque feceritis in mei memoriam facietis (for this is the cup of my Blood, of the new and eternal covenant; the mystery of faith; which will for the many be shed unto the remission of sins. When so ever you do this, you do it in my memory).Then, I heard another sound this time an undeniable moan and then a shriek as some one cried out: “Leave me alone Jesus! Why do you torture me!” Suddenly a scuffling as some one ran out with the groaning sound of having been injured. The back doors swung open, then closed. Then silence.Realization – I could not turn to look for I was raising the Chalice high over my head. But I knew in an instant that some poor demon-tormented soul had encountered Christ in the Eucharistic, and could not endure his real presence displayed for all to see. And the words of Scripture occurred to me: Even Demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).Repentance – But just as James used those words to rebuke the weak faith of his flock I too had to repent. Why was a demon-troubled man more aware of the true presence and astonished by it than me? He was moved in the negative sense to run. Why was I not more moved in a positive and comparable way? What of the other believers in the pews? I don’t doubt that any of us believed intellectually in the true presence. But there is something very different and far more wonderful in being moved to the depth of your soul! It is so easy for us to be sleepy in the presence of the Divine, forgetful of the miraculous and awesome Presence available to us.But let the record show that one day, almost 15 years ago, it was made quite plain to me that I held in my hands the Lord of Glory, the King of heaven and earth, the just Judge, and Ruler of the kings of the earth. Is the Lord truly present in the Eucharist? You’d better believe it, even demons believe that!continued...*
the continuation...Don't monkey with the Mass: the Councils of Trent have defined it as the Tridentine Mass.Once, when Protestants were trying to cast out a demon, the 'Minister' stood before the possessed, and with fake seriousness and authority, told the demon to be gone.The demon laughed and said "You fool, I wrote those prayers you just tried to use against me!"A Catholic Priest came in, Exorcised the Demon and got back to his Priory in time for lunch and evening confessions.Ave Maria, Purissima!*
Water to parched earth.Thank you for this video! If only more parishes celebrated the OF with such reverence. After being received into the Church way back in 1985 in a very liberal parish (i.e., rife with dissent and the liturgies reflected that), I was blessed to take on the position of choir director at a neighbouring parish where an older monsignor celebrated the OF with great dignity. The Liturgy was authentic and beautiful. We were encouraged to sing in Latin and the thriving congregation, being somewhat more Catholic than my first parish, knew the chants as second nature. Under the tutelage of my choir members, I relearned chant I had first studied at university. Benediction was always done entirely in Latin.Thank you, again, for the reminder that Mass can be offered with dignity, beauty and reverence.
I think this is great. Some little observations:1. If you want eotrc, the aln name of the hand candle is palmatorium. A comment on the shape of the handle in former times.2. The good Msgr. may have this and the pitcher and basin, I think, but I do not think he gets an AP in cope. I think the Ordinary might get this if he uses the Mitre since he is a PA and can pontificate in a limited way.3.I think someone should get the good Msgr. the proper biretta of a prelate of the Papal Household.The Rev. Michael P. ForbesRochester, MINNESOTAmilou firstname.lastname@example.org
Paul, no---because the altar wasn't incensed the correct way for an EF Mass--I know right off it wasn't.
@ gemoftheoceanNot so much the incensation of the altar - even in the EF you walk all round the altar if it is freestanding - but the deacon did not kiss the celebrant's hand and the thurible, nor did he incense the celebrant.
What does any of it have to do with "Anglican patrimony"?
"What does any of it have to do with "Anglican patrimony"?"Very little, why should it?The talk that followed was on the liturgy and Anglican patrimony.
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