Friday, January 15, 2010

Schonborn sees the Pope


The Holy Father received Cardinal Christoph Schonborn O.P., archbishop of Vienna, Austria today in a private audience after his visit to Medjugorje, this followed the plenary meeting of the CDF.
Can you imagine the conversation?

20 comments:

johnf said...

This guy was once considered papabile!

On the side of the angels said...

Oh for a Gyges ring about now !

Michael Petek said...

Well, the Cardinal is after all a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I suppose that in going to Medjugorje he was only doing his job.

Not that the local Bishop liked it one bit - he issued a public statement complaining about the Cardinal's visit.

Laurence England said...

"A word in your ear, please, Cardinal..."

gemoftheocean said...

Angels: Are you sure you didn't mean "Guiness Stout?"

Fr. Gary V. said...

I am suspecting there is a rift between Card. Schonborn & the Curia or Holy See. He's been acting strangely or making waves that has been noticed by the laity & the Vatican. He may have ax to grind that we don't know.

APOSTOLATE OF THE LAITY said...

Very interesting. Perhaps the cardinal was doing some investigation and gave the results direct to Pope Benedict?

Michael Petek said...

A Cardinal visits Medjugorje on a tour of inspection. The local Bishop voices his objections in public instead of taking them to the Pope in private.

The Cardinal returns to Rome and has an audience with the Pope.

This suggests that the Pope might have sent him, and he was reporting back.

Maybe the rift is between the local church and Rome, not between a Cardinal and the Curia.

Norah said...

Surely even if the cardinal was on a mission from the pope courtesy would demand that he ask permission to visit another bishop's diocese. The permission wouldn't have been refused of course but at least there wouldn't have been all this kerfuffle.

Michael Petek said...

I'm not sure if courtesy is due from a Cardinal to a Bishop, especially if he's a Curial Cardinal.

Or for that matter a curious Cardinal!

Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

You may be interested in an English translation the Petrus article which says that "word filtering out of the 'Sacred Palace' is that the meeting was about his trip to Medjugorje.

You may also be interested in what a very well respected Cardinal - someone with a good bit of experience in "discernment of spirits" had to say about the affair.

Here is the english translation of the interview of Cardinal Saraiva Martins on Medjugorje and Cardinal Schonborn. He says Medjugorje is no Fatima.

Did I mention that he too is close to Pope Benedict XVI and was close to Pope John Paul II?

Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

Michael Petek said:

Well, the Cardinal is after all a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I suppose that in going to Medjugorje he was only doing his job.

Thank you for illustrating how well his visit was exploited.

Not that the local Bishop liked it one bit - he issued a public statement complaining about the Cardinal's visit.

He didn't complain. He felt he had a duty to undo the damage done by the Cardinal when he lent credibility to the alleged apparitions with some of his words and actions. He was talking out of both sides of his mouth at times and the bishop called him out on it.

I'm not sure if courtesy is due from a Cardinal to a Bishop, especially if he's a Curial Cardinal.

You aren't sure?

Father, perhaps you could discuss subsidiarity some time so people understand

This much you can be sure of: It's is completely out of line for one bishop or Cardinal to enter another's territory and start rearranging the furniture so to speak. This is exactly what Cardinal Schonborn did and it makes the most recent Petrus article about the meeting with Pope Benedict XVI plausible. The Cardinal's been pouring salt in the wounds of the Bishop of Mostar with interviews and press releases which were further exploited.

Cardinal Saravia Martins explained it very eloquently:

In an interview the other day with the Cardinal (see link in my previous comment), Petrus asked:

The Bishop of Mostar recently made known his own displeasure at not being informed of the presence of Cardinal Schönborn at Medjugorje. A "weighty" presence, that some could interpret erroneously as a recognition of the apparitions on the part of the Holy See.

The Cardinal explained:

"Far be it from me to think of judging the conduct of Cardinal Schönborn, but I, considering the morbid attention which is concentrated on Medjugorje, and as I always do every time I go out from Rome, would have spoken beforehand with Monsignor Peric: when we Cardinals enter into a Diocese, we are entering into the "house" of the Bishop of the place and we must have the good manners and good sense to announce ourselves."

RC said...

The Cardinal says he wasn't on a mission for CDF or the Pope. The Würzburg Tagespost specifically asked, and he said he went for purely personal reasons.

Source: http://www.domradio.de/aktuell/artikel_60171.html

Moretben said...

I'm not sure if courtesy is due from a Cardinal to a Bishop, especially if he's a Curial Cardinal.
Michael - not for the first time I'm tempted to wonder if you're on some kind of mission to give legalism a bad name.

Michael Petek said...

It's not a matter of subsidiarity, it's a matter of honorific precedence.

Whoever has jurisdiction over another has precedence of that other; otherwise a Cardinal has precedence of a Bishop.

By the way, what 'damage'?

Fr Ray Blake said...

Michael,
Even Cardinals are expected to have good manners.

Jack said...

He only turns 65 next week, so still pleanty of time for him to be considered papabile.

Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

Flash: Cardinal Schonborn faxes letter from Rome to Bishop Peric following private audience with Pope Benedict.

Diane M. Korzeniewski, OCDS said...

Oops - link if I forgot it on that last one on Cdl Schonborn's letter to Bp Peric.

http://cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=491

The German site, Kreuz.net, is asking whether this is the apology that Pope Benedict asked him to write, suggesting it shows no remorse. Here is a crude translation by Google.

Kiran said...

Actually, I am not at all sure that a Cardinal acting on his own right in the diocese of another Bishop has any kind of precedence in matters pertaining to that diocese. After all, it is the entire Episcopal College who are the successors to the Apostles.